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S1E12: What Even Is Apologetics?

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Show Notes

Jon and Logan discuss bananas, assertions, and logical fallacies (not phalluses).

Jon and Logan talk to Matt Dillahunty about debates, magic, and stupid arguments.
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Jon rants about the apologetics used by 2nd Amendment nuts. “Trigger” warning?

Jon and Logan break down a verse from the Qur’an and learn that unbelievers get chained to giant penises.

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Religion

Therefore, God

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Steve Buscemi

Theist debaters, in attempts to compete with their non-theist counterparts have developed arguments based on logical rules to explain why they believe (and notice we’re still using the word “believe”) that a god or gods are necessary beings that, in actuality, exist.  One such argument is the Kalam Cosmological Argument, which goes like this:

  1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause,
  2. The universe began to exist, therefore,
  3. The universe has a cause.
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Social Commentary

Argument From Distaste

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It’s no secret that people aren’t all that fond of Obama. Apparently the people who don’t like Obama extend that distaste to everybody involved with Obama in any way. I find that the most rabid anti-Obama people are often the least logical about their arguments. If you call them out on a point they’re attempting to make, they’ll either shift the goalposts or latch onto some other strange, tangential argument. Here’s an example of a recent Facebook status conversation I had (which is either still in progress or has died due to lack of ability to debate it further):

[My Cousin]
The best news of the day is a Federal court ordered that Obama Care is unconstitutional. Next to the Supreme Court. Apparently it is okay to not be a resident of Chicago and still run for Mayor. Big surprise there. Appellate court kicks the highly unethical potty mouth Rahm Emanuel off the ticket…Big surprise he is back on in 2 days. Great to be a Tsar of the President of the United States.
19 hours ago

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    • Jon Willis
      But he is a resident of Chicago, no different than a student attending school out of state or a soldier serving in another country. I don’t understand the controversy any more than I understand the Obama birth certificate craze.
      10 hours ago

    • [My Cousin]
      It is NOT like an out of state student because their physical address is where they live, and they pay out of state tuition. A soldier’s physical address as I’m told by my business partner, a Army Captain, is where you enlist at. The law which the appellate court of Illinois held up was one must physically live in the city for a year. So, once again Obama and his hence men don’t have to follow the rules the rest of us underclass working Americans do. All men are created equal…..say what? Obama care has been ruled unconstitutional and heading to the Supreme Court. Crossing my fingers. Five were nominated by Republican Presidents and Four by Dems.
      4 hours ago

    • Jon Willis
      Your business partner may have misunderstood how that works. Military personnel (as well as students) have two addresses: a permanent address (typically the place they lived before they left) and a physical address (the place they live now, wherever that may be). They are still considered residents in the place of their permanent address because they are considered to have the intention of returning once their business is done – unless they personally change their permanent address because of their intent to move.


      It would be impossible for any senator, congressman, cabinet member or president to do his/her job while staying put in [wherever they live] so they must relocate. Their permanent address maintains their residency until they return just like a student or a soldier.

      I still don’t understand why this is a problem. Are you upset because you perceive Democrats to be getting special treatment?

      4 hours ago

    • [My Cousin]
      I 100% know that politicians on both sides get special treatment. It is who you know in government that counts. Not what the set laws are. Yes, I think Obama’s Birth certificate should be able to be viewed by any law abiding citizen of the United States. I do believe it is a law. Clinton had no problem publicizing his. So why the secrecy?
      3 hours ago

    • Jon Willis
      I’d like to see that law, if you can find it. A Hawaiian birth certificate is not public record and nobody is required to show their birth certificate to every citizen of the country. Hearing you argue this point now I doubt you’d even accept the birth certificate if it were shown to you. In 2008 Obama’s campaign released a certificate of live birth from Hawaii, which is what Hawaiians use to register for schools and obtain drivers licenses. How is that not good enough?


      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

      3 hours ago 

       

    • [My Cousin]
      ummmm…as President it is a requirement to be born in this country. I believe The constitution states, that the President of the United States of American must be a natural born citizen, The Federalist Papers are very clear on this subject. No foreign powers should have control over our government. Also, the certificate of live birth produced by the Hawaiian government is NOT a birth certificate. Also the govern of Hawaii is a close family friend of Obama. What would you do for your friends? Obama’s father was not a citizen of this country and a Muslim. Obama has never stated his religious affiliation, yet apparently attended Reverend Wright’s church in Chicago which is extremely racist towards whites. Spend sometime in that part of Chicago as a Caucasian in that neighborhood. Then you may change your mind. I believe Reverend Wright has said, God Dam America, Or The chickens have come home to roost. Yah, I have a ton of confidence in a groomed inexperienced President whom the liberal media has shoved down our throats.
      2 hours ago

    • Jon Willis
      You keep changing the argument. Let’s back up and try to address one issue at a time. First, there was the question of residency for Rahm Emanuel. Have we addressed that well enough?

      If so, then next you claimed that it was a law for the President to produce his birth certificate. Can you show me that law?

I just don’t get why some people are so resistant to facts and/or logic. I mean, I’m all for people having their opinions! I just tend to think those opinions ought to be at least somewhat informed by reality instead of personal bias or prejudice.

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